M.S.
Do you think that for the time being we could
try and divide your work into certain periods?
A.V.
That would be very difficult because with me everything overlaps
and dissolves into each other. Problems, rather than time, assume
priority. In a way it is paradoxical. When I encounter some of
my older things, I sometimes get the feeling it was someone else´s
life. As if those things came from someone else. On the other
hand, with new things I quite often discover - and usually after
the fact - that their origins lie somewhere in my very distant
past. Twenty, even thirty year-old notes and sketches exit that
already potentially contain embryos of ideas, the same ideas which
I think I am conceiving right now as new ones. But this is probably
related to the multi-layered nature of what I do. There is difference
between things that I physically completed and which palpably
exist, and between the paralel records of utopian imaginings,
which I dreamt of one day turning into reality. My utopian imaginings,
that other, second, level of consciousness, accompany me from
the very beginning as dreams and ephemeral visions. A very long
time ago, when I hadn´t even thought of expressing myself in three
- dimensional terms, I thought of certain giant paintings or frescoes.
Later on, sometime in the mid-sixties, projections of spatial
ideas in giant dimensions began to appear. In the second half
of the sixties, things emerged that seem to overtake my physical
possibilities. At that moment I neither implemented them nor did
I actually complete them in my imagination, but they do appear
as an embryo of something that I am once again thinking about
today.
...Occasionally I would by mistake get ahead of myself and of
my ability to develop and define what I was thinking about at
the moment. Maybe it´s a shame that I didn´t set out in that direction
sooner. But maybe it wasn´t the right time, the feverish thinking
and the release of mental images evoked in me ecstatic states,
as well as the attendant need of physical contact with something
tangible. The road towards realization of an ideal vision is always
long, if only because certain material means are required.
...For me the most interesting phase is the work itself. I mean
the creation, the changing of utopia into actual reality. For
that phase I always allowed myself as much room as possible, in
order to be able to realize that particular ´´it´´ when I was
fully concentrated. I had a feeling that if I thought up too much
beforehand, my concentration would be diminished. Thus it was
intentional. In that regard my working methods have recently changed
quite considerably. This is because greater emphasis is placed
on thinking and the rational construction of initially ecstatically
generated imaginings. The actual process of physical work might
no longer be as important, or it might be more combined, ambivalent,
while the relationship between ecstasy, thought and physical labor
becomes more permeated, suffused, and equalized. My presence or
physical trace no longer has such a markedly dominant meaning.
It is possible to leave the trace by what I am actually thinking.
...I am terribly interested in the relationship
between ecstasy and what I do with resources, how I consciously
use them. Most important is possibly the balance between them
, in other words, the balancing of extremes.
...The thought is always primary. I never think
a priory of a sculpture as sculpture, but nonetheless I know that
everything that I am drawing is always primarily a sculpture.
It became second nature for me to always think about something
that has three dimensions, something that should be created, that
should materially exist , that I would like to make. Thus, from
that perspektive I think of a sculpture not as mass, but as an
object that plays out in three dimensions. In any event, as far
as I am concerned the plastic side is never predetermined, it
could be said that the impulse is always metaphysical.
M.S.
It always appeared to me that you begin with
some kind of a philosophical puzzle or statement.
A.V.
...Certainly. But it isn´t expressed verbally. It isn´t philosophical
in the sense of being presented as an a priory problem,
but rather it appears as a question. Althought in my mind it is
formulated in that manner, it then looks for its expression by
means of a specific language, not necessarily verbal. Words also
appear there concomitantly, because in the initial notes things,
which strongly activate my sensibility, are partially recorded
in texts.
... I make sculptures, but not because I am endowed
with the ability to control the resources used. It is more the
case of person finding a way of expression , who is excited by
space and by things that control it, things that are tangible
and therefore exist. But that does not in fact constitute sculpting.
That is about something else. Sculpting is more about mass than
about space. It is also more about touching. I am more interested
in the notion of walking through, in a person´s relationship to
space, in the filling of space, in the filling of emptiness.
...I always thought that one of the measures of
a work of art is its strength. If something is strong, its strength
becomes one of its basic classifications. I always thought that
strength means that the thing is strongly motivated and internally
engaged. When the testimony is in itself powerful, it is probably
about something that is substantial and important. I also thought
that it might be wrong if someone doesn´t recognize it.
M.S.
Utopias?
A.V.
Utopias are very important components of art. Most of what one
does is in fact utopian because the transformation from human
memory into something that is either a pictorial surface or a
spatial thing is so difficult. Of course it is important for me
to talk about Utopias because my projects contain things that
are difficult to achieve. Or one is trying to express things that
are very difficult to transform into any kind of new reality -
into the reality of that thing.
Very often it is utopian to realize things for the most mundane
reasons. I mean that it is difficult to assemble the necessary
resources. But utopia in its essence is something else, something
much more substantial. Sometimes we encounter a problem that is
terribly important, but very difficult to resolve. Yet we are
urged to constantly try and do so. In my case it involes for instance
the suppression of gravitation. I believe that with the use of
the most advanced resources from the field of experimental physics
the problem can be scientifically solved.
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